I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. 55. Amen! N/A 24 Blind guides! Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. 16. 30. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. Oh well, maybe another discussion. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). Its the inspired word of God. No, thats silly! We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) I truly dont understand this one, ha! The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. God forgave because Jesus saved. Oh yes, and he forgot the most important, essential factorrelated to KJV reliancevirtual ignorance of and illiteracy in biblical Hebrew and Greek!!!!!!!! This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. We even have TWO. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated 4. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. Care to elaborate, provide examples? Yes, I remember that. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. Do you find them so humorous ? If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. I did learn a lot. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. 33 Snakes! Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. If you party, DO NOT drink. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). 11. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. Its method of operation is subversive. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. Apart from Him we can do nothing. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. 54. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Many of these are down right untruthful . Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. 16 Blind guides! Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. Mind you all this was before I repented and ask God for forgiveness. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. Christ suffered and Just please be sure that your judging is fair. We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. We had no money.. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. Mind your own business. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. Thanks. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. God forgave my husband through Christ. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). If your church as at least 2 Revivals per year, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading , The KJV isnt the inspired word of God. Hypocrites! In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. I have read other versions of the Bible. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. Everyone has sent in their life. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. 5. Im not responsible for how its perceived. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. Wow, nice list. N/A The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. Hypocrites! Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. The New Testament church should be an independent church. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. 38. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. If you might confuse KJV with KJB its the same thing but its a preference on how people might want to call it. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. 25. 23. 20. 47. WebOur Mission. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. 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An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. Yes, see my answer to your first question. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Great job adding a bit of levity! WebWARNING!!!! That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? We just look for a biblical church to go to. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. God Bless. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10.
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